July 30, 2010


Full disclosure: I fucking HATE Christianity. I pretty much hate almost all religions, but I reserve a special level of disgust and hatred for everything to do with Christianity.  Here's one of a about a billion examples I can think of off the top of my head:


Anonymous said...

christians burn qurans, musslims burn christians

Snickerdoodles McPoppycock said...

You ever hear of 'the crusades'? Or how about the discovery of the 'new world'. Look into that real quick and get back to me on that.

Snickerdoodles McPoppycock said...

-Also peep game on the Vatican's inaction/ non- stance on the Holocaust during WWII. -Actually, I take back using the word 'inaction' considering they assisted the Nazis in hiding money and gold stolen from millions of Jews during that time.

Anonymous said...

It's easy to stand back 70 years later and lob grenades at the Pope, saying he could have done more in WW2. Remember, though, that Catholic bishops were being openly murdered in European streets by Nazis for sheltering Jews (and in some cases just for vocally objecting to Nazism). What did you want the Pope to do? He doesn't have an army. He quietly saved hundreds of thousands of Jews. Hitler knew this and wanted to kill him.

In WW2, the church printed up thousands of phony Vatican passports, baptismal certificates and other documents to save over half a million Jews. The Vatican also brokered a deal with Germany that exempted thousands of Italian Jews from extermination in exchange for a huge ransom payment. Those are some examples off the top of my head. After the war, Golda Meir, Albert Einstein, Rome's chief rabbi and many other Jews went out of their way to thank the Pope.

This "Hitler's Pope" stuff has become more urban legend than fact. It's trendy to dis Catholicism, so I understand why it is so popular. Too bad it's not based in reality. What always kills me about this topic is that people want to hate on the Pope, but don't question why the USA just laid back in the cut while Hitler ran through Europe. Instead, people complain that the Pope wasn't vocal enough in his radio addresses.

Anyway, I respect this blog's author but I'm not going to give him credit as a WW2 scholar, so anyone reading these comments should take them with a grain of salt.

Snickerdoodles McPoppycock said...

Ok, fair enough. A well-reasoned argument, I guess I need to read more on it, however I've read several things that have supported my original points. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you seem to know what you're talking about on this particular topic.
Nevertheless, I still think Christianity as well as almost all organized religion sucks. I don't mean to slam Christians or begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, so long as they are respectful to others and don't force their righteousness and morality on others. I basically have the same outlook on Minnesota Vikings fans. I absolutely loathe the Vikings but many of my close friends are Vikes fans.

Since we've hit an impasse with the WWII thing, let me default to a more modern topic: -The Pope/ Catholic church's stance on birth control (anti-condoms) in AIDS-ravaged Africa. This is absolutely unforgivable, -bordering on sinister. It's one thing to to be a religious idealist, but in real life, when an entire continent is being decimated by AIDS, I think properly educating people on this life-and-death issue trumps your dogmatic bullshit:


Anonymous said...

Christianity AND Islam both suck shit. However, Islam is more than a religion or ideology. It is a cultural lifestyle, hellbent on returning the world to the stone ages.
I despise "bible thumpers", but I haven't seen any Christians stoning women to death for basically nothing or sawing off peoples heads with dull rusty knifes lately. If you are a non believer, you ARE an infidel and, according to the Koran, your blood is to be spilled, PERIOD. Yes, even cool Habib down at the 7/11 thinks so. Organized religion is a fantasy with endless justifications to commit the most horrible & disgusting atrocities upon any population. Anyone that defends them, especially Islam, is living in dreamland.

Snickerdoodles McPoppycock said...

I'm not defending Islam even slightly. Like I said I hate all organized religion with maybe the exception of Buddhism. My point was, I, personally, hate Christianity the most. Pound for pound throughout history, Christianity is responsible for more killing and oppression than any of them... Who knows, maybe in present day, Islam is trying to keep pace with them, or challenge them for which can me more idiotic and stupid.

The Bible says just as horrific shit as the Quran. Christians have done equally as fucked up shit as muslims in the name of their god. They might not stone women to death, but they do blow up abortion clinics, deprive their children of necessary medical treatment (Christian Scientists) and rape/ pillage and destroy entire cultures/civilizations in the name of spreading their religion. And let's not forget about it's child-fucking foriegn exchange program they established for their priests...

They both suck. We agree.

Anonymous said...

to the generalizing anonymous


MUSLIMS DO NOT BURN CHRISTIANS. more than 20% of human being do not burn christians.

i get you arent backing christians or anything but seriously, islam is not hardly worse than christianity, it just has a higher concentration of hardcore wack-jobs willing to take action (although you might remember those christians that went around killing doctors who performed abortions- for one example...)

"It is a cultural lifestyle, hellbent on returning the world to the stone ages." hahahahaha. where are you from? have you ever seen this hellbent "cultural lifestyle" outside of fox news?

"you ARE an infidel and, according to the Koran, your blood is to be spilled"

get the fuck out, c'mon! i would bet if you gave a gun to every muslim in the world and told them "you can kill this "infidel" and not be punished for it" probably less than one percent would actually do it. i visited my muslim friend in iran and guess who survived without even being confronted once? (im pretty sure the white dude with a shaved face in western clothes is an indicator i might not be muslim, in case you were wondering)
-according to the koran... you ever read whats according to the bible. there are things in there that no christians act on. people of these religions dont follow every aspect. heres an example:
15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, ... 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. 15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones,and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses. how many christians do you think would do that, even if they were told they wouldnt be punished for it?

"Yes, even cool Habib down at the 7/11 thinks so."

-this tells me you are something close to a complete imbecile and therefore you wont learn anything through some internet comment, and thus, i bid you adieu

Anonymous said...

I'm not any of the anonymous' from previous comments...

I cant help but think that a lot of the friction and finger pointing toward the Islamic world has more to do with a lag in social liberalism than it does with a fundamental difference of policy. Even 50 years ago Christianity was used as an excuse for all sorts of vile shit on a MASSIVE scale (apartheid springs to mind). The fact is that the western world (where Christianity is sadly most prevalent) has undergone a pronounced change of heart in the last century, while the Islamic world seems to be lagging behind. Maybe it will never catch up, who knows. I could give loads of examples - women voting, state punishment, imperialism, etc. The west has come a long way in 100 years.

Point is that for Christians to turn around and point fingers at Islam because the western zeitgeist of the time has shifted faster and all of a sudden Christians value human life (supposedly) of even non-Christians is just plain bullshit. 100 years ago great Christian theologians were writing all manner of bigoted, violent shit to justify raping and pillaging on a grand scale, and lets be honest, 100 years isnt a long time in historical terms.

In summation, I agree, they both suck.

Anonymous said...

I am "anonymous" from post #6.

Let me state again that I despise Christianity. It has for 2,0000+ years been responsible for mass murder/inquisitions/brainwashing and the brutal torture, murder & general fucking over of most in it's path. I'm a staunch atheist, but I can tolerate Christians to a point, as long as they keep they're beliefs on their side of the fence. Islam has NO intention of doing this.
That being said, Islam on the other hand has, at least in this day & age, made it very clear to those really paying attention, that it intends on conquering the world & enforcing "sharia" law. This includes women as not even 2nd class, but 3rd class possessions. Much like livestock(as in ZERO rights). This includes ACCEPTED pedophilia & child brides, some as young as 8. This includes the execution(hanging/shooting and of course beheading). ZERO tolerance of gays(death penalty. These are but a few. But, the biggest is FORCED acceptance & practice of Islam. Sounds awesome, huh?
"you ARE an infidel and, according to the Koran, your blood is to be spilled" Read the Koran, cover to cover. It's there & hundreds of millions believe it & will practice it without hesitation.
"-this tells me you are something close to a complete imbecile and therefore you wont learn anything through some internet comment" Think what you want, but I speak from experience. I've had debates(if you wanna' call it that) with quite a few Muslims, hardcore & moderate. And the general consensus is that they agree. The hardcore crowd told me this on a street in NYC. The moderates are a bit more reserved & smile to your face, because they don't want to give up the great life they have here in the U.S. Where is all the Islamic out cry over Islamic atrocities? The silence is defining. Why? Because they'll be targeted next. The Islamic mantra is "we're here, accommodate us & get out of the way. Some of you are in for a very rude wakening.

Anonymous said...

You've obviously given this a lot of thought, but i cant help but see contradiction in what you're saying... you're surely not suggesting that Christianity isn't aiming to convert the whole world to it's way of thinking? It's too easy to dismiss the crusades as though it's some invalid old chestnut argument thats no longer valid, but it ACTUALLY HAPPENED, and it was motivated by the same bible that Christians use today.

Maybe you're offended by the Muslim worlds violent treatment of women and homosexuals? Do you think that Christianity has fared any better in the past? I dont believe Jesus even complained about the sub-human treatment of slaves during the time that he lived. In fact it took Christians a long time to believe that slaves were even human at all.

Maybe the issue of Jihad (violent uprising against an oppressor) worries you and its obvious threat to your American (I presume?) way of life. This talk about spilling the blood of the infidels is surely doctrine to many extremists, in the same way that shooting doctors is to extreme christians - they are both poor interpretations of fallible documents.

I'm a confirmed atheist, so i dont side with either religion, they're all crap, but call a spade a spade. The Muslim world may be lagging behind the liberal western world, but that wont last forever, and its in no way proof that Muslims are any more barbaric than Christians. To believe that, you'd have to invoke some kind of racist philosophy, and you surely dont mean to do that, do you?

Shane Claiborne said...

I am sorry that so often the biggest obstacle to God has been Christians. Christians who have had so much to say with our mouths and so little to show with our lives.

I am sorry that so often we have forgotten the Christ of our Christianity.

Forgive us. Forgive us for the embarrassing things we have done in the name of God.

Jesus says to the religious elite who looked down on everybody else: "The tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the Kingdom ahead of you."

Anonymous said...

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Ya' know, they have medication for that.