July 30, 2010
FLORIDA CHURCH PLANS 'BURN A QURAN' DAY ON 911
Full disclosure: I fucking HATE Christianity. I pretty much hate almost all religions, but I reserve a special level of disgust and hatred for everything to do with Christianity. Here's one of a about a billion examples I can think of off the top of my head:
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You ever hear of 'the crusades'? Or how about the discovery of the 'new world'. Look into that real quick and get back to me on that.
-Also peep game on the Vatican's inaction/ non- stance on the Holocaust during WWII. -Actually, I take back using the word 'inaction' considering they assisted the Nazis in hiding money and gold stolen from millions of Jews during that time.
It's easy to stand back 70 years later and lob grenades at the Pope, saying he could have done more in WW2. Remember, though, that Catholic bishops were being openly murdered in European streets by Nazis for sheltering Jews (and in some cases just for vocally objecting to Nazism). What did you want the Pope to do? He doesn't have an army. He quietly saved hundreds of thousands of Jews. Hitler knew this and wanted to kill him.
In WW2, the church printed up thousands of phony Vatican passports, baptismal certificates and other documents to save over half a million Jews. The Vatican also brokered a deal with Germany that exempted thousands of Italian Jews from extermination in exchange for a huge ransom payment. Those are some examples off the top of my head. After the war, Golda Meir, Albert Einstein, Rome's chief rabbi and many other Jews went out of their way to thank the Pope.
This "Hitler's Pope" stuff has become more urban legend than fact. It's trendy to dis Catholicism, so I understand why it is so popular. Too bad it's not based in reality. What always kills me about this topic is that people want to hate on the Pope, but don't question why the USA just laid back in the cut while Hitler ran through Europe. Instead, people complain that the Pope wasn't vocal enough in his radio addresses.
Anyway, I respect this blog's author but I'm not going to give him credit as a WW2 scholar, so anyone reading these comments should take them with a grain of salt.
Ok, fair enough. A well-reasoned argument, I guess I need to read more on it, however I've read several things that have supported my original points. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because you seem to know what you're talking about on this particular topic.
Nevertheless, I still think Christianity as well as almost all organized religion sucks. I don't mean to slam Christians or begrudge anyone their religious beliefs, so long as they are respectful to others and don't force their righteousness and morality on others. I basically have the same outlook on Minnesota Vikings fans. I absolutely loathe the Vikings but many of my close friends are Vikes fans.
Since we've hit an impasse with the WWII thing, let me default to a more modern topic: -The Pope/ Catholic church's stance on birth control (anti-condoms) in AIDS-ravaged Africa. This is absolutely unforgivable, -bordering on sinister. It's one thing to to be a religious idealist, but in real life, when an entire continent is being decimated by AIDS, I think properly educating people on this life-and-death issue trumps your dogmatic bullshit:
http://lordsofapathy.blogspot.com/2009/03/pope-spreads-aids-in-africa.html
Christianity AND Islam both suck shit. However, Islam is more than a religion or ideology. It is a cultural lifestyle, hellbent on returning the world to the stone ages.
I despise "bible thumpers", but I haven't seen any Christians stoning women to death for basically nothing or sawing off peoples heads with dull rusty knifes lately. If you are a non believer, you ARE an infidel and, according to the Koran, your blood is to be spilled, PERIOD. Yes, even cool Habib down at the 7/11 thinks so. Organized religion is a fantasy with endless justifications to commit the most horrible & disgusting atrocities upon any population. Anyone that defends them, especially Islam, is living in dreamland.
I'm not any of the anonymous' from previous comments...
I cant help but think that a lot of the friction and finger pointing toward the Islamic world has more to do with a lag in social liberalism than it does with a fundamental difference of policy. Even 50 years ago Christianity was used as an excuse for all sorts of vile shit on a MASSIVE scale (apartheid springs to mind). The fact is that the western world (where Christianity is sadly most prevalent) has undergone a pronounced change of heart in the last century, while the Islamic world seems to be lagging behind. Maybe it will never catch up, who knows. I could give loads of examples - women voting, state punishment, imperialism, etc. The west has come a long way in 100 years.
Point is that for Christians to turn around and point fingers at Islam because the western zeitgeist of the time has shifted faster and all of a sudden Christians value human life (supposedly) of even non-Christians is just plain bullshit. 100 years ago great Christian theologians were writing all manner of bigoted, violent shit to justify raping and pillaging on a grand scale, and lets be honest, 100 years isnt a long time in historical terms.
In summation, I agree, they both suck.
I am "anonymous" from post #6.
Let me state again that I despise Christianity. It has for 2,0000+ years been responsible for mass murder/inquisitions/brainwashing and the brutal torture, murder & general fucking over of most in it's path. I'm a staunch atheist, but I can tolerate Christians to a point, as long as they keep they're beliefs on their side of the fence. Islam has NO intention of doing this.
That being said, Islam on the other hand has, at least in this day & age, made it very clear to those really paying attention, that it intends on conquering the world & enforcing "sharia" law. This includes women as not even 2nd class, but 3rd class possessions. Much like livestock(as in ZERO rights). This includes ACCEPTED pedophilia & child brides, some as young as 8. This includes the execution(hanging/shooting and of course beheading). ZERO tolerance of gays(death penalty. These are but a few. But, the biggest is FORCED acceptance & practice of Islam. Sounds awesome, huh?
"you ARE an infidel and, according to the Koran, your blood is to be spilled" Read the Koran, cover to cover. It's there & hundreds of millions believe it & will practice it without hesitation.
"-this tells me you are something close to a complete imbecile and therefore you wont learn anything through some internet comment" Think what you want, but I speak from experience. I've had debates(if you wanna' call it that) with quite a few Muslims, hardcore & moderate. And the general consensus is that they agree. The hardcore crowd told me this on a street in NYC. The moderates are a bit more reserved & smile to your face, because they don't want to give up the great life they have here in the U.S. Where is all the Islamic out cry over Islamic atrocities? The silence is defining. Why? Because they'll be targeted next. The Islamic mantra is "we're here, accommodate us & get out of the way. Some of you are in for a very rude wakening.
I am sorry that so often the biggest obstacle to God has been Christians. Christians who have had so much to say with our mouths and so little to show with our lives.
I am sorry that so often we have forgotten the Christ of our Christianity.
Forgive us. Forgive us for the embarrassing things we have done in the name of God.
Jesus says to the religious elite who looked down on everybody else: "The tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the Kingdom ahead of you."
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Ya' know, they have medication for that.
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